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am sa iti scriu eu cand vine in max 2 luni sper :) .... ca vad ca nu se inghesuie lumea :)

Adevarul ca suntem o gasca de disperati care isi asteapta masinuta(nu stiu voi dar eu asa sunt).

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atunci am sa scriu si io' ! :D
cassa white & rainbow blue ceed 1,4 ltd edition + ceva optionale. BC 02YDA; ODO> 23 K
Dorele, ne mai tii mult ma?

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ar mai lipsi doua elemente relativ importante din conditiile de masurare a consumului: distanta medie si viteza medie.
exemple:
- de-acasa la servici: 10km, din semafor in semafor, viteza medie 20km/h.
- de-acasa la socri: 1km, drept, 1km/h
- de la socri la fotbal: 20km, 5 semafoare, 80km/h

un 'drum' inseamna orice deplasare dupa ce masina a stat pe loc 30-60 de minute.

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Consumul de 13l/100km este conjunctural:
1. cred ca atunci cand se calculeaza consumul urman la o masina se calculeaza intr-un oras normal, nu in Bucuresti (ca sa nu mai zic de zona Drumul Taberei-Razoare :( )
2. masina este inca in rodaj si asta conteaza destul de mult;

ex: vara trecuta am facut o plimbare de vacanta cu hyundai-ul accent cu motorul de 1,4 97CP al parintilor mei care pe atunci avea 2000Km la bord. Am mers in jur de vreo 1100Km - consumul mediu a fost in jur de 8-8,5l/100 in conditii de 110-120Km/h cu AC pornit - excesiv de mult!
Anul asta, pe un drum mai scurt ce-i drept de vreo 200Km, masina a consumat cam 6,5l/100Km in aceleasi conditii de viteza + ac. Asta dupa o revizie la 7500Km, masina avand la bord vreo 14000Km acum.
Parerea mea este ca o sa scada consumul si la ceed odata cu timpul si km. :arrow:

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deci sapai un pic pe net sa aflu cum se calculeaza consumurile:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/28004-epa ... ained1.htm
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUri ... 16:EN:HTML
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 41:EN:HTML

prima e valabila in state. apoi sunt directivele europene. prima directiva reglementeaza ce se testeaza. a doua reglementeaza modul de test. iata cateva citate:

din prima directiva
4.4. Test fuel
The appropriate reference fuels as defined in Annex VIII to Directive 91/441/EEC must be used for testing
5.1.1. The vehicle must be presented in good mechanical condition. It must have been run in and driven at least 3 000 kilometres, but less than 15 000 kilometres, before the test.
5.1.4. Before the test, the vehicle must be stored in a room where the temperature remains between 293 and 303 K (20 and 30 ?C). This conditioning period will last at least six hours and to a point where the temperature of the engine lube oil and the engine coolant are within ± 2 K of the room temperature. At the request of the manufacturer, the test may be conducted within a maximum of 30 hours after the vehicle has been used at normal temperature.
5.1.6. If the radiator fan is temperature controlled, it must be operating as it would normally on the vehicle. The passenger compartment heating system must not be operating, nor must the air conditioning system, although its compressor must be operating normally.
7.1. The fuel consumptions are calculated from the emissions of hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide calculated in accordance with paragraph 6.
din a doua directiva:
5.3.1.2.1. With the exception of vehicles referred to in 8.1, a test lasting a total of 19 minutes and 40 seconds, made up of two parts, One and Two, is performed without interruption. An unsampled period of not more than 20 seconds may, with the agreement of the manufacturer, be introduced between the end of Part One and the beginning of Part Two in order to facilitate adjustment of the test equipment.
5.3.1.2.2. Part One of the test is made up of four elementary urban cycles. Each elementary urban cycle comprises fifteen phases (idling, acceleration, steady speed, deceleration, etc.).
5.3.1.2.3. Part Two of the test is made up of one extra urban cycle. The extra urban cycle comprises 13 phases (idling, acceleration, steady speed, deceleration, etc.).
5.3.1.4. Subject to the requirements of 5.3.1.4.2 and 5.3.1.5 the test must be repeated three times.
2.3. Use of gearbox 2.3.1. If the maximum speed which can be attained in first gear is below 15 km/h, the second, third and fourth gears are used for the elementary urban cycles (Part One) and the second, third, fourth and fifth gears for the extra-urban cycle (Part Two). The second, third and fourth gears may also be used for the urban cycle (Part One) and the second, third, four and fifth gears for the extra-urban cycle (Part Two) when the driving instructions recommend starting in second gear on level ground, or when first gear is therein defined as a gear reserved for cross-country driving, crawling or towing.
2. ELEMENTARY URBAN CYCLE (PART ONE) See Figure III.1.2 and Table III.1.2.
Average speed during test : 19 km/h. Effective running time : 195 seconds. Theoretical distance covered per cycle : 1,013 km. Equivalent distance for the four cycles : 4,052 km.
3. EXTRA - URBAN CYCLE (Part Two) See Figure III.1.3 and Table III.1.3
Average speed during test : 62,6 km/h. Effective running time : 400 seconds. Theoretical distance covered per cycle : 6,955 km. Maximal speed : 120 km/h. Maximal acceleration : 0,833 m/s2. Maximal deceleration : - 1,389 m/s2.
deci in functie de testul urban sau extraurban ei pun o anumita incarcare pe masina, masoara gazele emise si de-acolo deduc cantitatea de combustibil consumat. de testat testeaza foarte multe intr-un interval foarte scurt, iar drumurile noastre cuprind in general doar cateva dintre conditiile testate de ei. asa ca... nu bat cifrele.

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Salutare! As avea si eu o intrebare pt kokolino:la acel consum mediu de 13/100 ce viteza medie iti afiseaza computerul de bord?

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crispisu wrote:Salutare! As avea si eu o intrebare pt kokolino:la acel consum mediu de 13/100 ce viteza medie iti afiseaza computerul de bord?
in jur de 15

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Domnule Kokolino incercati sa resetati comp de bord pe funcita av ( medie), si deasemenea incercati ca in primi 500-1000km sa nu depasiti 3500 rpm, sfatul meu ar fi sa schimbati undeva in jur de 3000-maxim 3500, ( ca atunci cand schimbati sa nu scadeti sub 2500 rpm), cred ca nu ati resetat consumul de cand ati luat masina.... incercati sa-l resetati si spuneti-ne parerea dumneavoastra dupa aceea.
Va multumesc!

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domnule Burcea, am resetat computerul de bord aproape la fiecare 100 km parcursi. este pe functia AVG si imi arata aproximativ 13.2 mai scade sau mai urca in functie de cum conduc. am facut pana acum 1450 km si nu i-am dat mai mult de 3500 rot/min. poate s-a intamplat o data sau de doua ori. in rest schimb la 3000 de la primii 5 km. astept sa termin benzina de 95 si sa bag de 98 poate se vede vreo diferenta.

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Andrei Burcea wrote:Domnule Kokolino incercati sa resetati comp de bord pe funcita av ( medie), si deasemenea incercati ca in primi 500-1000km sa nu depasiti 3500 rpm, sfatul meu ar fi sa schimbati undeva in jur de 3000-maxim 3500, ( ca atunci cand schimbati sa nu scadeti sub 2500 rpm), cred ca nu ati resetat consumul de cand ati luat masina.... incercati sa-l resetati si spuneti-ne parerea dumneavoastra dupa aceea.
Va multumesc!
Scuze ca intervin aiurea, dar ... cum e treaba cu rodajul ??? trebuie atunci cand dai treapta inferioara sa ai aprox 2500 turatii ?? adica nu e bine nici sa mergi subturat sau cum ? (adica sub 2000 ture ... ) ?

mersi, si cine se pricepe sa imi zica si mie faza asta cu turatia minima la rodaj.

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in esenta in rodaj frecarea intre segmenti si cilindri este foarte puternica si acestea se tocesc pana la o anumita dimensiune unde uleiul lubrifiaza cel mai bine. aceasta uzura trebuie sa se faca uniform asa ca nu se vrea o turatie prea mare. un 3500 e destul. in general se zice ca turatia maxima ar trebui sa fie 75% din turatia de putere maxima, in cazul de fata vreo 4500. turatii mari inseamna supraincalzire si pericol ca pistonul sa ramana intepenit in cilindru fiindca se topesc segmentii.
pe de alta parte uzura asta rezulta in pulbere metalica, iar aceasta trebuie indepartata de ulei. acest ulei are nevoie de o presiune rezonabila si asta nu se intampla la relanti, ci incepand de un pic mai sus, la 2000-2500.
nu-s niste reguli stricte, e un compromis. petre cristea nu mentioneaza decat sa nu se mearga prea incet intrucat la turatii mici fortele provocate de explozii sunt mult mai mari decat la turatii mijlocii.

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Si totusi e suprinzator de mare consumul si pt perioada de rodaj. asta e consum de SUV :)
Oricum daca nu o sa scada probabil ca va aparea mai devreme sau mai tarziu si un update al soft-ului pt gestionarea motorului - pt motorul de 1,4 de la accent a aparut dupa o perioda.

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dar ma intreb daca dupa resoftare pt consum mai mic, se pastreaza si performantele, daca in realitate o sa mai ai 109CP ?

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13% e imens intr-adevar. Aproape dublu fata de ce spune constructorul (7,6%). Oricum ar fi Bucurestiul consumul n-ar trebui sa se dubleze fata de specificatii. Eu ma asteptam la un 10% sau aud de la posesori.

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am gasit pe forum la hyundai o discutie despre consumuri de 13l
http://www.hyundaiclub.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=649

din cate am reusit sa mai citesc se pare ca resoftarea a rezolvat in mare masura problema si ca masina se infige si mai bine si consuma mult mai putin. Ramane de vazut, deocamdata raman doar supozitii la kia.

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